Curse

Loviatar · Dec 12, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

the european market is ANets most importants market ...because most GW playing peoples are Europeans....not like some may think ...Asians or Americans .. no it are the Europeans and anet is so stupid in their marketing stategy to kick US with this o-store issue bmp concept into the butts.

that is provable bullshit and here is both the likkie and NCsoft finincial report.

europe is a very minor part compared to korea/US/Japan

http://www.worldsinmotion.biz/2007/1...rterly_fin.php

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The percentage breakdown of sales for the third quarter shows 55% in Korea (US$47.9 million), and 45% from overseas entities and royalty income: US$15.1 million in North America, US$9.0 million in Europe, US$8.6 million in Japan, US$2.9 million in Taiwan, and royalty income of US$4.8 million.

europe is less than ttwice heir ROYALTY income

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In one of the many Interviews with the Developers of GW..they even self stated, that the european market is their most important one, because over it they make in the end atm most of their money... and then all this >.>

read the report and stop the bs

Agent Of Balthazar · Dec 12, 2007, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by Drake Eleric

If people can get it for like 10 bucks in the online store i want the packaging for EotN, booklets and all for same price, if not free.

/Not signed

So you are equating the free promotinal BMP to an expansion with high lvl content for GW?

mrmango · Dec 12, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

In before close.

Tyla · Dec 12, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by Agent Of Balthazar

So you are equating the free promotinal BMP to an expansion with high lvl content for GW?

no....hes talking about the packaging - which people who bought GW:EN for the BMP didnt get
please close this thread

Emik · Dec 12, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Drop the entire BMP issue already.
As said before: making it avail for purchase drastically goes against the promotion in it's own.
If people now have the ability to buy it separately they could've bought it when the promotion was running.
4 months seems like time enough for me.

/NOTSIGNED

Meat Axe · Dec 12, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Loviatar is right. In the long term, if Anet offers the BMP as a standalone product in the online store, then no one who fulfilled their last promotion will ever participate in future promotions, whether that be for GW (Since GW2 beta is still a year away, so the game won't be released for another year and a half at least, I think it's likely that something will be added to the game to keep people playing), or for GW2. I definitely wouldn't participate, because it's much more likely, in my case, that it would be cheaper as a standalone product later on. I paid $10 extra than I would have for EotN through the online store (I'm from Australia, which means I get charged in pounds. And before anyone pipes up and says that everyone in Britain paid that same price, think about it. Australia has a very different economy to Britain. You guys are used to paying more for a product than the rest of the world, because you generally get paid more. Our economy over here is a lot closer to that of America). I'd also have gotten a cool, physical box with my game had I known the BMP would be offered as standalone.

But really, the main reason I don't want to see this offered is for this reason:

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Originally Posted by Agent of Balthazar

I didn't say everybody should get it, I said this solves the problem of people who want the mission pack and didn't get it the first time. This solution serves both the players, and Anet, as it adds another item to be purchased in their store, and pleases the people who want it.

If you don't have access to a credit card, then you don't get it. That's not my problem, but at least this solution gives people the opportunity to get it.

Why didn't you get it the first time, if you had a credit card? To me, that says "I couldn't be bothered fulfilling Anet's promotion, and now I want the content that was offered to be available in a way that suits me." That's just not really good enough, is it. Why should Anet waste resources, and risk losing their loyal customers, to cater for someone who obviously couldn't care less about anything but receiving the content.

I'd understand if you didn't have a credit card, and therefore could not fulfill the promotion requirements (although anyone can get their hands on a prepaid credit card). I think the best solution would be to add some other form of payment to the online store, and offer the promotion again. That way, those of us who participated last time are not getting let down, those that could not fulfill the promotion last time have another chance, and those that would not fulfill the promotion get just what they deserve.

Agent Of Balthazar · Dec 12, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Emik

Drop the entire BMP issue already.
As said before: making it avail for purchase drastically goes against the promotion in it's own.
If people now have the ability to buy it separately they could've bought it when the promotion was running.
4 months seems like time enough for me.

/NOTSIGNED

Why don't people get it? The promotion was giving away the BMP for FREE. Selling it doesn't reflect badly on that promotion, since they were GIVING it away, and doesn't hurt them, unless they plan on making more promotions, which they most likely won't.

Tyla · Dec 12, 2007, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Agent Of Balthazar

Why don't people get it? The promotion was giving away the BMP for FREE. Selling it doesn't reflect badly on that promotion, since they were GIVING it away, and doesn't hurt them, unless they plan on making more promotions, which they most likely won't.

we still dont get the packaging
hey look i repeated myself

Agent Of Balthazar · Dec 12, 2007, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by Meat Axe

Loviatar is right. In the long term, if Anet offers the BMP as a standalone product in the online store, then no one who fulfilled their last promotion will ever participate in future promotions, whether that be for GW (Since GW2 beta is still a year away, so the game won't be released for another year and a half at least, I think it's likely that something will be added to the game to keep people playing), or for GW2. I definitely wouldn't participate, because it's much more likely, in my case, that it would be cheaper as a standalone product later on. I paid $10 extra than I would have for EotN through the online store (I'm from Australia, which means I get charged in pounds. And before anyone pipes up and says that everyone in Britain paid that same price, think about it. Australia has a very different economy to Britain. You guys are used to paying more for a product than the rest of the world, because you generally get paid more. Our economy over here is a lot closer to that of America). I'd also have gotten a cool, physical box with my game had I known the BMP would be offered as standalone.

And there are also a lot of people who are complaining about the current situation, so it seems they are screwed either way as far as customers go.

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But really, the main reason I don't want to see this offered is for this reason:

Why didn't you get it the first time, if you had a credit card? To me, that says "I couldn't be bothered fulfilling Anet's promotion, and now I want the content that was offered to be available in a way that suits me." That's just not really good enough, is it. Why should Anet waste resources, and risk losing their loyal customers, to cater for someone who obviously couldn't care less about anything but receiving the content.

Who says I don't have BMP? This thread was NEVER about me, as I tried to approach it with the view from both sides, and that's why I brought up this suggestion. It was never about me complaining about a situation, it was about trying to solve a situation that many people are upset about. The very fact that some came in here and asked for this thread to be locked is proof that something should at least be said from anet that either something is going to happen, or forget about. Either way, people on both sides are upset, and I was just trying to give my 2 cents.

In some cases, it wasn't about not wanting to fulfill the terms of the promotion, but some people weren't even able to for whatever reason.

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I'd understand if you didn't have a credit card, and therefore could not fulfill the promotion requirements (although anyone can get their hands on a prepaid credit card). I think the best solution would be to add some other form of payment to the online store, and offer the promotion again. That way, those of us who participated last time are not getting let down, those that could not fulfill the promotion last time have another chance, and those that would not fulfill the promotion get just what they deserve.

A previous poster mentioned keeping the BMP as a permanent incentive to spending money in the online store, and I think that would solve the issue.

Meat Axe · Dec 12, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by Agent Of Balthazar

And there are also a lot of people who are complaining about the current situation, so it seems they are screwed either way as far as customers go.

Yeah, but it's pretty obvious which people would, in the long run, profit Anet more. The people who are willing to spend money to fulfill promotional requirements are the kind of people that keep on supporting Anet with a regular stream of income. The people who can't be bothered fulfilling a simple promotion, who feel prepared to take a risk that they will miss out on content, because it doesn't suit their terms aren't really the kind of people that constantly support a game.

Everyone who didn't participate who were able took a risk. If they didn't think it was a risk, then they're idiots. On the terms of the promotion, the wording, although could be interpreted differently, strongly implied that the only way to get the BMP was through that promotion, and that promotion alone. Anyone who can read could tell that there was a risk that this was exclusive content to that promotion.

Either way, I think these threads should stop. Anet is not going to release the BMP as a standalone product so close to the release from the promotion, as well as during their other christmas promotional periods. If Anet are ever going to release it as standalone, it won't be till a few months into next year. How about we wait until then to start all these threads?

Lady Raenef · Dec 12, 2007, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by Drake Eleric

If people can get it for like 10 bucks in the online store i want the packaging for EotN, booklets and all for same price, if not free.

/Not signed

/signed on this idea. I want my box, and booklets too. There's some deep writing put into those manuals, and I'd hate to miss out. But hey, all you people with the BMP have them, so if you want the BMP, let's have a trade.

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Originally Posted by Agent Of Balthazar

And judging by your comments, it seems you are a bit upset having to shell out $30 for something that this thread suggests could be avaliable for less than half. YOU didn't pay $30 for the BMP, you paid $30 for items in the online store, and got the BMP for free, and yet you complain about the idea that it could be sold for a lower price? And you call others "cheap"? If you don't have anything to contribute, then avoid the topic completely, and move on.

Excuse me? Put some thought into that. If it wasn't for the promotion of the BMP, I would have bought Eye of the North from a store like anyone else. The fact of the matter is, I saw the promotion, I jumped on the promotion, I earned the BMP. You didn't, that's your fault, not ours. Don't complain us about your problems. If it's only for $10, then people who spent the money in the store to buy things they wouldn't need like extra character slots went to waste. You think they wanted it? No, they were forced to buy the items to get the promotion, so I think it's fair if you are forced to spend that much as well. I don't mind if they release the BMP to everyone for $10, as long as the weapons aren't included in the bargain. It just says you should have bought the promotion if you want the cool weapon skins.

So, still, I represent the fact that you didn't get the BMP and you're just whining. Also, if I was whining, I'm whining and complaining about the whiners and complainers making the threads. This idea has been spammed time after time, quit bringing it up. It won't happen.

Tomar · Dec 12, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Not to soudn like a whiner here but I wanted the BMP but couldn't get it. I bought what I could out of the store and was $5 short of what wa needed. I couldn't buy any character slots since they where greyed out and wasn't able to click on it. So how was it my fault that I couldn't spend enough to get the BMP? All the games where already bought so I bought the other stuff even though I don't even PvP and I still didn't have enough to get the BMP.

So I don't think its fair on my part cause the store wouldn't let me buy the amount needed for the BMP.

Nuclfus · Dec 12, 2007, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Anet has said time and time again that they have no intention of releasing the BMP for sale in the online store. They were saying this back when the promotion was still in effect, so there has never been any room for confusion on our part as to whether the BMP was going to be promotion-only or available later for purchase. While you might argue for your suggested solution that the original promotion participants would still feel rewarded in that their BMP was obtained at no financial cost, there is no denying that the vast majority of participants was influenced by the explicit indication that this was a one-time shot at the content.

Now the promotion's over, and Anet has made the money they wanted from it. The point you made is that in releasing it for sale they would be making money out of capital that's already been invested, but let's consider more long term. Guild Wars 2 is on its way, and odds are good that they'll consider doing a nice promotion for its big release. If they were to tell us about some really neat content that would only be accessible through that promotion, their credibility at that point would be a mockery. Whatever promotion in store then would fall flat, because everyone would know to expect the "exclusive content" on sale in the online store in a matter of months simply because Anet wants the money.

On another point, I remember back when it was first announced how people condemned it because they thought Anet was just using cheap gimmick content to try and make more profit from the online store. Now some of those same people criticize Anet because they aren't trying to make more profit by reoffering the same gimmick content. Personally I think you're free to pick between two rationales: either profiting from the BMP was greedy and wrong, or that it wasn't taken far enough and needs to be pursued further. But you can't have it both ways. And for the ones who chose the former reasoning and missed out on the BMP, I think either you have to stick with your original thinking and your choice, or admit you went wrong and live with your mistakes.

Cebe · Dec 12, 2007, 08:11 AM // 08:11

Bye bye thread

/wave